I'm getting screwed and need your opinion

[Saints82]

In our league our trades go by two players agreeing then the commish approving. Well i just made a trade that the commish didn't like and he changed to rule mid season that all the teams have to vote, yet he didn't apply this rule to a trade from last week that i feel was very unfair. Tell me which trade you think is worse or if any of them or fair at all

My trade that is being voted on by the midseason rule change:
R. Brown (102 total points in our league)
Housh (50 points)
Manningham (69 points)
for
A. Johnson (96 total points)
J. Stewart (71 points)

Trade that wasn't voted on:
Lynch (35 points)
Jennings (42 points)
L.T. (31 points)

for
Ward (72points)
D. Jackson (78 points)
Westbrook (44 points)

You tell me if this midseason rule change is fair and if either or both of these trades are unfair or fair?

[Dapostman]

Dude, you need only post this in ONE area.
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[pacificscrub]

You're right, it's BS. The 2nd trade that wasn't voted on shouldn't even have been allowed by the commish as it's clearly collusion (or at least one owner that's too stupid to own his own team). Call shananigans on the Commish and remind him he helps keep the league running, but he doesn't get to change the rules arbitrarily mid-season.

[Slugger2659]

I don't think there's anything wrong with either trade. The trade the commish allowed isn't obvious collusion. I certainly can't tell you which side will be better from this point on, but a mid-season rule change is unfair. The trading process should remain the same for the entire season.

[jsearcy111]

I agree that both trades are fair. Trading isnt based on people personal opinions and should only be vetoed if player dumping is happening. None of these are player dumping and everyone in your league shuld sit back and chill. No one can predict how someone will do next week. If I said I wanted to trade C Benson for Forte 8 weeks ago, everyone would have called it an unfair trade. Bottom line is, if its not player dumping tell your commish to shutup and quit playing GOD.

[TimeBandit]

I agree with the last post... Just because guys have posted good numbers so far doesn't guarantee their performance the rest of the year. Same goes the other way... just because someone hasn't performed yet doesn't mean they can't/won't have a better 2nd half (AT LEAST THAT'S WHAT I KEEP SAYING ABOUT FORTE, JACOBS, BOLDIN AND s smith!!!!)
BUT the guy who's running the league can't change the rules midstream
(maybe he can ... he's the Commish) BUT HE SHOULDN'T for all the obvious reasons - Basic Fairness, integrity, etc, etc,
And it might suck to think about it, but if the other owners in your league allow him to get away with doing this, you and anyone else in your league who has the balls ought to walk away. And of course there's always option B - the good old fashion asswhipping that ought to be put on him... you might not get your money back (and you might get sued or worse) but it will make you FEEL better about getting SCREWED.

[TimeBandit]

In fact, the more I think about it the more pissed off I'd be. Go directly to Option B.

[jsearcy111]

HaHa, nice one time bandit! I agree. I submitted a trade to a guy in our league that was in last place. I was giving him Calvin Johnson and Slaton for Forte and Steve Smith. My commish tried to say it was a BS trade, but talking was all he could do. Sure smith and Forte are big names, but they havnt done sh*t this year. Go kick his a$$ and then talk alot of smack on the message boards about him playing god. He will either snap and give you the trade or look like a total dick to the rest of the league.

[pittstownkiller]

Either both trades are out of whack or both are fair because there is not really much difference between the two. If your commish insists on applying two sets of rules in your league, you have to do something about it. Either overthrow him or ask him to explain, preferably in writing, his exact problems with the trade and his suggestions on how to remedy it. It is always good to get somebody to explain his "no" vote. Maybe you’re not to far off or it might start the ball rolling with the rest of your league to see that it is unfair to you. Since everybody is now voting in your league, maybe you should ask for a vote on how fair it is to change rules mid-stream. That should be an eye-opener. Who is going to vote yes, on that? In my league, what we tried to do was have three guys look at everything then present it to the commish. It kept him in check. Unfortunately, we have gotten away from that and similar shenanigans have started to creep into our league.
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[Saints82]

To make sure i explain this in a fair way, the Commish did say he asked a few of the other owners in the league and they all agreed on the rule change. Doesn't mean i agree with it and i wasn't asked b/c it was about me which i don't think should matter, if the rule effects the league i should get my vote regardless. Now i do see the point of view of the commish and few other owners who don't like me and my friend trading, but we never player dump and sure i may look at teams that are struggling and if i have a position they need i offer up a trade. I don't wanna create a rift especially since most of the owners in this league are not just friends but family, my brother, cousins, uncle, etc.

[pittstownkiller]

If it concerns you, you should have a say in the decision. If most of the league is family and friends, then I wouldn't worry about causing a rift. Make your case, the best you can, ask if rules can be changed mid-season what are the protocals for doing it, and then ask for the group to explain the difference between the two trades. Hopefully this brings some kind of satisfactory resolution. If it doesn't tell them that you think your being treated unfairly, in a calm way, then let it go. If you do all that I'm sure the next time you'll get fairer treatment.
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[I-NO-Football]

I've been in 2 other leagues where mid season rules were needed. Personally I don't like to see change in mid season, but sometimes it's needed.
If you think your getting screwed don't play in that league next year.

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[jsearcy111]

First off if he is going to change the rules mid season, he needs to get a vote from each player. This is too much drama dude, go start your own league next year and run it like it needs to be run. A crooked commish can kill a great league. Sorry bro!

[TBK2131]

OK...I am the so called crooked commish and I am here to state what happened. And the only reason I am doing this is because Saints82 isn't telling the whole story, only his side. First let me say we have had this league for 11 years now and have NEVER had an issue with a rule. We have had some arguments over what day the draft should take place and other little minor stuff but never about rules. So there has never really been an issue where I had to create a rule mid-season. So anyways, Saints82 and the other team (the dark angels) posted their trade. Now i was the first to kinda think the trade wasnt to good but I never said it was a horrible trade. Once all the other owners heard about the trade, it turned into complete chaos. I had owners saying if this trade goes through that they would trade their stud players to another team to create a SUPER TEAM to face off with Saints82. I had to do something to get control. This was not an issue where the commish was pissed and just trying to screw Sanits 82. The WHOLE LEAGUE was in an uproar over the trade. So here was the trade offer:

Andre Johnson and Jonathan Stewart
for
Mario Manningham, T.J. Housh. and Ronnie Brown

When you look just at the players being offered it doesnt look that bad. But most owners including me think that you have to also look at each owners overall fantasy team and ask yourself if it benefits both teams. So if the trade went through this is what the Dark Angels Wrs would have looked like:

T.J. Housh., M. Manningham, D. Mason, D. Avery, A. Bryant, B. Celek and Santana Moss

Now to most of us we thought that would be a horrible trade for the Dark Angels because he is giving away his BEST PLAYER and getting two average WR. Not to mention T.J hasnt done much of anything this year and Manningham has been hurt. Sure Saints82 also gave him Ronnie Brown but the Dark Angels already had Ricky Williams who is ranked points wise right behind Ronnie Brown. Brown only has four more pts. Is Ronnie Brown a stud? Maybe but he does split time and alot of us thought the Dark Angels would have been better to keep his players. Also Saints82 said he let the Dark Angels pick who he wanted but he only gave him a list of players to pick from and none were his starters. Like P. Manning, Ray Rice, M. Turner, Chad Johnson. The other issue was this was the THIRD YEAR IN A ROW that these two were performing a horrible trade that favored Saints82. And everytime the whole league bitched about it, but I always let it go. I do want to say that out of the 3 trades they made. This is the fairest. All the other too were really bad, i wish i could remember what they were to let everybody know. Also, Saints82 and the Dark Angels are good friends. The only reason the Dark Angels owner is in the league is because he is his friend. This owner is only about 20 or 21 (most of the other owners are around 30) and out of the whole league he is the least knowledgeable owner when it comes to football. Many of the other owners have wanted him out of the league because of this, but I dont like just kicking people out. So most of the owners think there is something fishy between these two because every year the dark angels team sucks and then he unloads his studs to the Saints82. Now do I think they are cheating? NO...I just believe that the Dark Angels owner is not knowledgeable enough to play. So anyways once everybody stated they had a problem with the trade and we all discussed what we should do. No i did not contact the two owners in the trade which was a bad move on my part. But I will say every other owner in the league wanted to implement a rule to vote on trades for now on. So at that time we told Saints82 and the dark angels about our decision and Saints82 just flipped out. I guess because i didnt involve him in the decisions he totally believed that I personally did all this on my own. So we put up the poll and EVERY OWNER VOTED THE TRADE DOWN. So my question to everybody is what did I do wrong? How am I a crooked commish. All i am trying to do is keep things fair in the league. If I hurt a couple owners feelings in the process, Im sorry but I have to do whats best for the league. I would love to get as much feed back as I can on this situation. Especially from all the people who posted comments to the Saints82 owner. Because everybody was telling him I was basically a crooked commish, he totally believes that I am screwing him over. SO PLEASE GIVE MUCH NEEDED ADVICE ON THE SITUATION. Thanks for listening.....

[rwood37]

Dude, stop trying to analyze the trade and pushing your own opinion of it as justification to create new rules mid-stream because you won't tell the rest of the league to STFU. I don't care what the trade is, but there's NOTHING wrong with that trade... Zip. I also don't care that they're friends, that one owner is young (and presumably dumb as rocks as you want everyone to believe), etc.

The solution here is actually a very simple one. You process the trade as when everyone paid their money they did so agreeing to the rules in place and not what ever BS changes you want to arbritarily make. Then, next off-season you can implement your voting change. If owners don't like the rule change next off-season, they'll leave the league. If other owners don't like that you processed this trade, then they can piss off. Have the sack to tell them this is the way it is and go forward... You're asking for trouble if you're going to turn your entire rule-set upside down because you won't stand up to everyone and commish based on the existing rules!