This week's question [continued].

[pittstownkiller]

As I said, I lost out on S. Greene (phew). Still need to move W. Parker and now I have O. Daniels on IR. I'm in a non-ppr, dynasty/keeper league, with 1 flex and my moves have to be thought out long term. I have 3 moves left. Replacing the TE will not cost me a move. This is my plan, tell me if I'm crazy:

Trade C. Palmer for C. Benson and B. Celek.

Trade A. Rodgers for C. Benson, B. Celek, and P. Rivers.

Trade P. Manning for a Stud RB and TE.

Trade Palmer straight up for R. Rice and get a TE off of the wire ( not a promising option).

Trade C. Palmer for Gore and H. Miller (my division though)

F/A pick-ups

Stand pat - I do have P. Thomas, MJD, and D. Brown (and their byes are out of the way, too), I could just wait to see if Parker has anything left.

Now I suspect that these trades seem a little one-sided but young starting QB who are proven are like gold in my league. I don't know if the guy who has Benson and Celek would move them for Palmer, but I know he would for Rodgers (he is a Packer fan) and I don't know if I could squeeze Rivers out of him too but Rodgers is my long term guy. Got some wiggle room on this like forgetting Rivers and taking a 1st round pick for next year (probably low 1st round-he is in second overall), to draft a rookie QB (always a long-term crapshoot) or trade the pick for something a little more proven. Palmer was my ace-in-the-hole for this season, cause I needed to rebuild a little. I have not started him in 3 years (hello 5-TD game 2 weeks ago) but his stock is climbing. The guy with Rice needs a QB and I can probable get a TE out of him too. I really like Celek, though, and have wanted him since the start of the season. TE (have to start a TE) has been a strong position for me over the years and would like to keep it that way. I have Witten and Daniels and they have taken a hit the last few games. With Daniels out and Witten lost in the shuffle of 3 RBs and 3 WRs he is not putting up what he is used to, I need to pick-up a TE. Benson and Celek probably puts me in the championship game. Rice and a F/A TE probably gets me to the division game. Manning (how long does he have left anyway?) and Palmer I guess could work for me the next few years as I try to find another QB. Could also just try to pick-up a F/A RB (Moats, any opinions on that) and 2 TE's (have Fasano could dump him, as I don't use him, and see what washes out but this would take 2 of the 3 moves I have left. The guys with Rice and Benson are not in my division, which makes trading with them nicer to swallow. The trades in my divisions are a little tougher cause I'm in a fourway log jam for two playoff spots (the RBs aren't as nice either). I would hate to give one of these teams the QB they need to over take me. Sorry for the long-winded post, just trying to be clear.
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[TimeBandit]

I'd do Palmer for Benson & Celek. I like Rodgers better than Rivers long term, although with SD not being able to run the ball consistently and their remaining schedule (NYG, KC, CLE, TEN, WAS) they're gonna have to be putting the ball up every week trying to catch DEN... Rivers could have a huge 2nd half of this season. (When are your Playoffs?) Palmer for Benson & Celek gets you good value for need - NOW - and doesn't cost you Rodgers for the future. Looking long term at TE though, if you've got Rodgers... is Jermichael Finley available? I think he's gonna be valuable in the future... and with respect to Fast Willie, you might sit tight until we see if Mendenhall is going to keep fumbling in the redzone... because Tomlin's not going to tolerate that in a close division race. I've got Mendenhall now, and that's what I'm worried about. Fast Willie may not be done yet.

[DLine]

I think I would do Palmer for Benson and Celek if you can swing it as that would help you now and in years to come. That way you would still have Rodgers and you could pick-up a backup in FA just in case that oline actually does get Rodgers killed this year.

I also like Rodgers for Benson, Celek and Rivers too. The way I see this one is you'd be getting a QB with as much talent as what you're giving up and basically getting the other two thrown into the deal....Actually I like this one the best!

[ArkaDezzy]

if you get either of those trades the people in your league are not all there

[pittstownkiller]

ArkaDeezy, I didn't say I would get them and in all honesty they are a bit of a reach but in our league a young QB who plays well in a big time program will be on your roster for 15 years. I know I've had P. Manning since he was a rookie. It was he that allowed me to drop a starter and pick-up Rodgers when he came in for the second half for an injured Favre. Now I have the top two QBs plus Palmer. Every week I get to pencil in a top three QB, this wins me games, championship, and $. Benson's a monster this year but what is a RB shelf life 5-6 years, and how long as a top producer [Tomlinson, Jackson, Alexander, hell even look at A.P.]. This trade was proposed to me at the begining of the season and I said no, that is how long term and valuable these guys become. The only thing that changed was some guys I picked up this year and I can be riskier at my QB position. I'll be honest if Rivers isn't included I probably don't do it, even though I might win the whole league this year with just Benson and Celek. That is how valuable Rodgers will be to me from here on out. My trading partner would probably be exactly where he is now or better if we had done this at the begining season. Rodgers is averaging more than 5 pts. a week better than Rivers. That being said I am a realist, which is why I listed all the options above. I have a very conservative plan in the back of my head and I'll probably do it before I try this big one but I need to float this out there so I can get ideas to build my case. The other monkey wrench here is the guy has not paid his league fees yet so he can't trade, obviously that has to be remedied and that depends on him. Thank for all the replys but I'm still looking for more, please chime in.

[MightyHeroes]

Well you are certainly set at QB. I guess I like Manning more, mostly because he has a young corp of WRs coming up that are gaining valuable playing time. He's on a very stable team and I can see him giving you 5-6 more years. He has had a healthy career (that knee thing having cleared up) and nothing indicates a decline in skills. Of the other two, I would rank Rodgers ahead of Palmer. Again, franchise stability being a big plus. That being said, the time to trade Manning for max value in a keeper is probably now. And I think you can navigate through the next several seasons with Rodgers/Palmer as your QB
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QB Schaub, Palmer
RBs D Williams, R Grant, P Thomas, L. White
WRs Fitzgerald, Boldin, Ocho, Royal
TE Shiancoe, Fasano
K Rackers
DEF San Diego

10 team PPR

[I-NO-Football]

C. Palmer for C. Benson and B. Celek. No doubt
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[pittstownkiller]

This trade has taken a new turn. He wants Palmer/D. Brown for Benson/Celek. I don't know if I want to give up on Brown. Might do some more shopping on his roster, or ask for a draft pick, or maybe offer him some one else, if he insists on Brown. Our rosters are as follows;

His team:
Philip Rivers QB SDG
Cedric Benson RB CIN
Ryan Grant RB GNB
Reggie Wayne WR IND
Greg Jennings WR GNB
DeSean Jackson WR PHI
Tony Gonzalez TE ATL
Mason Crosby K GNB
Chicago Bears Def/ST CHI
David Garrard QB JAC
JaMarcus Russell QB OAK
Brian Westbrook RB PHI
Kevin Smith RB DET
Hines Ward WR PIT
Marcedes Lewis TE JAC
Brent Celek TE PHI
Josh Scobee K JAC
Nick Folk K DAL
Jacksonville Jaguars Def/ST JAC
Minnesota Vikings Def/ST MIN

My team:
Aaron Rodgers QB GNB
Maurice Jones-Drew RB JAC
Pierre Thomas RB NOR
Steve Smith WR CAR
Nate Burleson WR SEA
Miles Austin WR DAL
Jason Witten TE DAL
Neil Rackers K ARI
New Orleans Saints Def/ST NOR
Peyton Manning QB IND
Carson Palmer QB CIN
Mike Bell RB NOR
Donald Brown RB IND
Mario Manningham WR NYG
Anthony Fasano TE MIA
Fred Davis TE WAS
Ryan Longwell K MIN
Josh Brown K STL
Buffalo Bills Def/ST BUF
Indianapolis Colts Def/ST IND

I also got rid of W. Parker and picked up M. Bell, maybe not the best call but protects me against Thomas going down. I would cut him if I could hold onto Brown. Any suggestions?
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[TimeBandit]

Hey pittstownkiller - thanks for the post to my wk10 RB question.
by the way, for some reason I couldn't post to this question earlier or to the link - about the addition of Brown to the mix - so I posted a follow up response to your question at my RB question (please read)

Some additional questions/thoughts: Are Jermichael Finley or Brandon Pettigrew available TEs in your league? Or who does the guy with Rice have as TEs? Brown with Palmer is too high future value for Benson & Celek... now if he were to throw in R Wayne or Desean Jackson then maybe... and I'd make him that offer -let him know how much future value you place on Brown... maybe it makes him overthink... or maybe you offer him Palmer & Bell - thats probably a more balanced trade for future value... Or do you offer him Peyton straight up for Benson and Celek... he does have R Wayne... he could double up TDs ... and you do pretty well with Rodgers and Palmer, Benson and Celek. Lastly I think you had MJD as a RB (sorry, I can't see your post on my computer)... Does anyone have Rashad Jennings in your league...6'2" 240lbs runs a 4.4/40, should be the successor to MJD at JXN in the future.

[pittstownkiller]

You've given me a lot to think about here. Those TEs are taken, as most of the decent TEs in my league, are taken. 10 team league, we carry three apiece, not a lot to go around. Celek is somebody that I have targeted, long term. Rice is a good option but, as I said on your post, the trade route with this team is going to be difficult. TE isn't a position that I necessarily need to fill, as I do have Witten. He should be able to carry me through the rest of the season. I do not have any depth there and thought that it was a nice way to shore that position up. That was before Daniels went down for me. I agree that Brown/Palmer is too much for Celek/Benson. I would probably ask him to include a first or second rounder and MIN's D. Maybe that is a lot but I don't really want to give up on Brown. The first rounder would make that easier to absorb, as I can probably pick-up a rookie next year as a long-term project. The receivers you mentioned was a route that I was also considering, will have to mull that one over. Another option, the Gore/Miller trade, while difficult and could significantly strengthen my divisional opponent, probably puts me over the top. I guess, if these items fall through, I will probably drop Manningham, pick-up Wallace, and hold on to my final pick for emergencies or end of the season clean-up work.
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[TimeBandit]

I like Wallace over Manningham, this year and longterm - he does seem to have found his role in their offense and he's getting more looks each week it seems. Hey, keep me posted on what you do here. Good luck.

[pittstownkiller]

Looks like he wants to pull back Benson and give me a run at any other RB on his roster. He still wants to have D. Brown. Must admit Celek and Grant doesn't thrill me as much but it might have possibilities if I can lodge a D and/or a pick from him. Except for Celek and that Grant has to be near the end of his rope, it doesn't have long term promise. Right?
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I was thinking about your situation earlier this week when I heard Oregon was reinstating Legarrett Blunt so he could finish his college career and revive his draft status...

Yeah, Celek is a definite plus, good future, and I agree Grant doesn't thrill me. But Grant could be a serviceable back the rest of this year in a jam, but he's got a mixed schedule the last 6 weeks. And (assuming he doen't get hurt) should be their back again next year. But he's no Donald Brown.

I like the Vikings D. Better than BUF... and IND without Bob Sanders.
I don't know who they've got locked in on contracts for next year and who they might lose to FA market in an uncapped year, but I'd consider them.

And you could just ask for his 1st rd next year. Negotiate from there. The other option I'd look at , if available , is RB Rashad Jennings at JXN. Big, fast kid - 6'2", 235lbs, runs a 4.3/40. Led the NCAA in rushing his Sr.year at Liberty University ???? Thought the Saints were gonna take him to replace Deuce McCallister. Last week he had 1 touch behind MJD ... a 28 yd TD run.

I don't know if that would leave you with any moves left.

Do you have any thoughts on my QB: Rodgers/Roethlisberger dilemma?